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Archive talk -- Jan to Mar 2013
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== FHL template for an author search? ==
Hi, Steve. Is there an FHL template where a search can be done by name of the author? I want to be able to search for ward records, all of which have the beginning of "Church of Jesus Christ..." and end with the specific ward. That would make it easy to change ward by ward. Any ideas? [[User:AdkinsWH|AdkinsWH]] 02:59, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
:Hi Wilma, I have briefly looked at this issue.It may be possible to add the functionality to the {{tl|FHL}} template, but more investigation needs to be undertaken done before I can answer and hopefully implement your request. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 13:49, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks, Steve! [[User:AdkinsWH|AdkinsWH]] 21:03, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
=== Progress ===
Hi, again, Steve. Any progress on this? I'd like to search for authors like "Salt Lake City 4th Ward Utah." I think we don't have to include the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." that precedes it. Thanks again. AdkinsWH 18:50, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
:Hi Wilma, apologies for taking my time to get around to develop this for you. I think I have amended the {{tl|FHL}} template so that a parameter can be specified to search for a "corporate name" For example {{tlx|FHL|Salt Lake City 4th Ward Utah|corporate}} produces {{FHL|Salt Lake City 4th Ward Utah|corporate}}. You can change the link/displayed text by using the {{xt|disp}} parameter. Let me know if this produces the results you were hoping for. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 22:54, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
== England Parish Histories ==
2012 was a good year for the Suffolk Parish pages. There have been a few instances where volunteers have sought to tear down what I have built rather than improve it. What volunteers I have come across have no interest in collaborating, rather they have an agenda of copying and pasting similar dialogue on every page. What they are copying and pasting is rather weak material. Parish History Section - I cannot accept that a short one or two sentences with a link to a gazetteer should be in anyway be considered a parish history. The approach to the Parish History Section is very simple. Enter websites, links and references in the body of the page and once a sufficient amount of material has been found, then a history can be written based on those sources from a genealogist perspective. A new wiki article should be created, [[England - Writing a Parish History]]. This short gazetteer entry currently being introduced should be moved or put in the Maps and Gazetteers Section. Pertaining to Suffolk pages I noticed recently that someone is entering those gazetteer entries again and at the same time removing the link to the Suffolk Gazetteer page. Could you use the text replace function to place a link to the Suffolk Gazetteer page in the Maps and Gazetteer section for every parish in Suffolk? [[User:Donjgen|Donjgen]] 18:36, 26 December 2012 (UTC) I'll also place a copy of this over on [[User talk:MannAE]] page.
:Hi Don, I agree that there is room for improvement in the way that contributors work together and not at cross purposes to each other. I'm sure that the majority of wiki contributor have the same goal to improve the content of the wiki and I really feel that [[WikiProject]] pages can help with this by setting out long term vision for a collection of similar pages, for example [[Suffolk Parishes]]. Contributors by reviewing the project page information can then be directed to articles, like the one you suggested, so that a consistent approach is taken with developing similar pages. The Parish History section and what kind of content should be placed here is a good example of where this collaboration could achieve much good. I will look into restoring the links to the [[Suffolk Gazetteers]] page. Before I take action I will investigate how best to do this. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 13:58, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Steve: I could take the time to create a [[WikiProject - Suffolk Parishes]] but I have seen such anemic participation. Since I am focusing on Suffolk, I would expect participation from people in East Anglia. There needs to be a person in East Anglia that would promote participation.<br> What are the goals? I haven't seen clear goals. I see some people have a goal of putting a short snippet of a gazetteer in the parish history section with a link for every parish in England. I see that some have a goal of putting the same template in the census section of every parish in England. I see some people have a goal of recording all the possible online church records for parishes in specific counties in England. There are only a few that have focused on a single parish or parishes. The goals for the [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject English parishes]] need to be specific. This idea of going from parish to parish putting the same snippet of information is a poor goal. Any body can goggle any parish in England and get all the information they need. How are the England parish pages going to be different? How is it going to be different from genuki? After years of slow growth it should become apparent that a different approach should be taken. This lack of England participation has to tell us that [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject English parishes]] needs to have specific goals that will lead to more participation. '''WikiProject_English_parishes''' pages needs to be rewritten and redeveloped. People should put there focus on a specific county or district. Thats my take on what I see [[User:Donjgen|Donjgen]] 20:48, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
== Projects ==
Steve, I'm trying to update the status of wiki projects. &nbsp;I'm assuming that the England and English Parishes projects are ongoing. &nbsp;Is that correct? &nbsp;Percent complete? [[User:Averyld|averyld]] 16:26, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Also, Wales and New Common Taxonomies [[User:Averyld|averyld]] 23:10, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
:Hi Lynda, yes these projects are all ongoing. The [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject England|England]], [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject English parishes|English parishes]] and [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject Wales|Wales]] WikiProjects are all similar in that the purpose of these projects is to improve the articles about these localities. They are very hard therefore to say how complete they are. Tasks within a project can more easily be stated as x% complete.
:The [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject New Common Taxonomy|WikiProject New Common Taxonomy]] is in my mind, more of a foundational document, setting out the top-level categories to be used for research topics. It was renamed as a WikiProject by [[User:JensenFA|Fran Jensen]] and although I agree it belongs in the [[FamilySearch Wiki namespace]], I think it falls more into the realm of [[FamilySearch Wiki:Policies|policy]] - meaning that it defines how the taxonomy is organised/to be used in the wiki rather than being a project in which a goal is to be achieved.
:Further to our discussion yesterday, I have created the {{tl|WikiProject status}} template. There are still some tidying up to do around this template, but you can start using them if you like. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 14:12, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Steve, thanks so much for this information and the templates look great! &nbsp;I hope you have a small idea of how much you are appreciated! [[User:Averyld|averyld]] 18:36, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
:For the inactive template, the page is&nbsp;[[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProjects Seeking Contributors/Inactive|FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProjects Seeking Contributors/Inactive]]. I'm not sure if doing it as a sub page is the best way to go, but that's how it is for now. [[User:Averyld|averyld]] 18:39, 17 January 2013 (UTC) &nbsp;Also, I put the template on the [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject Alabama|Alabama]] page and it looks like it didn't add it to the Inactive category.
::Hi Lynda, the categories associated with the template {{tl|WikiProject status}} are now being added when the template is used. I think setting up the list of inactive projects as a sub-page is the way to go. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 22:04, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Thank you! &nbsp;Thank you [[User:Averyld|averyld]] 22:27, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
== Thank you ==
Thank you Steve I did not understand, thank you for your help {{unsigned|Jenson1| 16:38, 6 February 2013 (UTC)}}
== Categories that don't show up in edit ==
We, the category committee, are working on cleaning up the Categories. One items that is a problem for us is the few categories that don't show up in edit so we can fix or remove them. Example is Category:Mexican_Family_History_Centers it has two pages [[Puebla Mexico Mayorazgo Family History Center]] and [[Tapachula Mexico Izapa Family History Center]]. Since the category is a duplicate of Category:Mexico_Family_History_Centers. I tried to remove the two page from Category:Mexican Family History Centers but they will not show in edit. Have a few others. Would like to ask if there is something we can do to understand this and work with it. [[User:Sandralpond|Sandralpond]] 03:49, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:Hi Sandra, the pages in question were being added to this category via the <tt>location</tt> parameter in the {{tl|FHCpage}} template. By changing the parameter value from <tt>Mexican</tt> to <tt>Mexico</tt>, this changed the category, clearing out the unwanted category, which I have now deleted. I hope that helps explain how this was occurring. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 05:05, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
== Internal Links opening in a new tab/page ==
Hi Steve, I'd like to revisit the idea of all internal links on FamilySearch open in a new tab or page. You mentioned last summer that it could be done for all links on the wiki through engineering. Is it a hard fix? In your opinion, what are the chances of them doing it if we asked? Unfortunately, I have a meeting every week at 2pm so I can't go to the tech meeting to ask. [[User:Batsondl|Batsondl]] 23:11, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:I know there is a setting to change the behaviour of external link (see MediaWiki [$wgExternalLinkTarget Manual:$wgExternalLinkTarget]). Do you mean external links? Or do you want a new window opened whenever a user goes to a different page in the wiki. I'm not sure, as a user if I would find that useful. In fact I'm certain I would find it annoying. I can't think of any website that automatically opens a new window when a link is followed. It is rare nowadays for this to happen for "external link" although I do remember when it was in vogue to do so. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 14:16, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Oh, no not just a wiki page. No I meant when they click on a database or digital book on FamilySearch. Sorry about the confusion. We are doing some user testing and when they click on a FS database it doesn't open a new page and then they lose their place and can't find the wiki page they were on to see other sources, databases or instruction. I've always hated that myself. Is there a way to just open those and not all wiki pages? Maybe in the templates we use? [[User:Batsondl|Batsondl]] 16:21, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
:OK, so are you talking about the links for example, in the header of articles about record collections, that follow the text ''Access the records:''. Eg [[England Births and Christenings (FamilySearch Historical Records)]]? Are you also talking about links to books, films in the FHLC? --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 14:17, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Changing the Historical Records pages would be awesome but Dorothy might not agree to that. I haven't talked to her. Yes, it's those in our locality article pages that link off to the databases, books, films in the FHLC. I was thinking maybe the templates we use for them would be changed. Although I'd love for it permanently to change all of them (which in turn would change Dorothy's HR pages) but I don't see engineering getting a chance to do it anytime soon. But the truth is, I've never asked. Can changing the templates work? I'm thinking of the FSbook, FHL, and RecordSearch templates. [[User:Batsondl|Batsondl]] 17:31, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
:Hi Danielle, can you try the links you were interested in again. We raised this issue in the [[Tech Meeting]] and we believe it has now been fixed. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 21:17, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
== User Canada and User Canadian templates reply ==
''reply to [[User talk:Saskgenweb#Hello_and_Thank_you]]''
Hi there
Thank you most kindly. I looked at some already started, and they seemed to go back and forth betwixt ancestry and residnce templates.&nbsp; I like your idea a lot! I am just new here, good find on the flag, I missed it in my first peek around and about for some reason.
Kind Regards [[User:Saskgenweb|Saskgenweb]] 00:54, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
:You're welcome. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 13:50, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
== DeLuca ==
Steve, you moved content from this page to the user talk page, but now we can't get this off the pages to be patrolled. I tried to restore it to do that, but no luck. Could you fix it so that we can mark it patrolled and then get rid of it? [ DeLuca] Thanks! [[User:Averyld|averyld]] 22:34, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
:Hi Lynda, I have marked this page as patrolled. I'm not sure why you wouldn't have been able to do it. Please let me know if it's still an issue. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 20:13, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
== Brackets Problem ==
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